1 00:00:02,290 --> 00:00:00,280 foreign 2 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:02,300 [Music] 3 00:00:05,610 --> 00:00:05,279 Cahill and you're listening to that UFO 4 00:00:10,070 --> 00:00:05,620 podcast 5 00:00:12,530 --> 00:00:10,080 [Music] 6 00:00:15,110 --> 00:00:12,540 hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO 7 00:00:17,210 --> 00:00:15,120 podcast my name is Andy and I am joined 8 00:00:19,970 --> 00:00:17,220 by journalist and author of The 9 00:00:21,950 --> 00:00:19,980 Incredible in plain sight co-host of the 10 00:00:24,349 --> 00:00:21,960 outstanding need to know podcast along 11 00:00:26,509 --> 00:00:24,359 with Bryce zabel like to welcome back to 12 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:26,519 the show Roscoe Ross welcome back me 13 00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:29,039 g'day Andy how are you mate 14 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:30,900 I am wonderful it's good to be talking 15 00:00:33,950 --> 00:00:32,399 to you with the incredible time 16 00:00:35,690 --> 00:00:33,960 difference we have it's a very small 17 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:35,700 window to record normally so it's good 18 00:00:40,190 --> 00:00:38,460 to have you uh Ross this one is over to 19 00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:40,200 the listeners because every time I get 20 00:00:44,450 --> 00:00:42,780 you on we talk for so long oh you talk 21 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:44,460 for so long that I don't get the chance 22 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:46,320 to ask you the listeners questions and I 23 00:00:50,690 --> 00:00:48,600 get flooded with questions for you so 24 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:50,700 sorry sorry about that but I talked for 25 00:00:55,010 --> 00:00:52,260 too long my wife tells me this as well 26 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:55,020 so I I promise to shut up 27 00:00:58,670 --> 00:00:57,180 well lesson it works when you've got a 28 00:01:00,290 --> 00:00:58,680 podcast doesn't it that you can talk so 29 00:01:01,850 --> 00:01:00,300 that helps but people want to hear from 30 00:01:03,290 --> 00:01:01,860 you and I've got a lot of questions but 31 00:01:05,090 --> 00:01:03,300 I'm going to steal the first one for 32 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:05,100 myself because you know it's my show I 33 00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:07,140 get to do that and we started the year 34 00:01:12,109 --> 00:01:10,740 Ross with the heavily late UAP report 35 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:12,119 um from the Arab I've gone on to the 36 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:14,880 Chinese Bible and Saga and we had some 37 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:17,040 filler in between that too and I've had 38 00:01:20,510 --> 00:01:18,600 many listeners say to me they're almost 39 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:20,520 a bit jaded with how the things have 40 00:01:24,649 --> 00:01:22,920 gone in terms of the UFO topic for the 41 00:01:26,030 --> 00:01:24,659 start of this year do you think that's 42 00:01:28,249 --> 00:01:26,040 fair opinion 43 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:28,259 yeah I must confess I'm really worn down 44 00:01:35,149 --> 00:01:31,259 by it to be honest Andy I I thought the 45 00:01:36,109 --> 00:01:35,159 um the absolute apex of the idiocy was 46 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:36,119 when 47 00:01:40,990 --> 00:01:37,860 here we had 48 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:41,000 a demonstration of why 49 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:45,240 incursions into airspace by unidentified 50 00:01:49,730 --> 00:01:47,040 objects matter 51 00:01:52,190 --> 00:01:49,740 and you had the U.S national media 52 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:52,200 getting itself into a frenzy about the 53 00:01:58,429 --> 00:01:55,020 issue for probably two weeks 54 00:02:00,530 --> 00:01:58,439 it's then they just blamely bought the 55 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:00,540 explanation oh it must be you know Joe 56 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:02,700 Biden came up with that explanation a 57 00:02:08,330 --> 00:02:06,180 week late saying oh you know well these 58 00:02:10,790 --> 00:02:08,340 are probably hobby balloons scientific 59 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:10,800 balloons nothing to see here move on and 60 00:02:16,369 --> 00:02:14,040 you know what everybody did now I'm not 61 00:02:17,589 --> 00:02:16,379 saying those objects are anomalous mate 62 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:17,599 but 63 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:20,160 you know some of the world's top media 64 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:22,319 organizations just accepted it and 65 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:25,800 glibly moved on because if you accept 66 00:02:31,070 --> 00:02:28,739 the minimum explanation the least 67 00:02:33,050 --> 00:02:31,080 controversial explanation for what those 68 00:02:35,510 --> 00:02:33,060 three objects were that were shot down 69 00:02:36,770 --> 00:02:35,520 by U.S fighter aircraft which is still a 70 00:02:40,130 --> 00:02:36,780 mystery 71 00:02:42,290 --> 00:02:40,140 the White House is guilty of concealing 72 00:02:44,809 --> 00:02:42,300 the fact that it spent millions of 73 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:44,819 dollars on shooting down hobby balloons 74 00:02:48,170 --> 00:02:47,160 and overreacted because of political 75 00:02:50,089 --> 00:02:48,180 pressure 76 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:50,099 to the fact that the media was giving 77 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:51,900 them a caning about unauthorized 78 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:54,239 incursions into American airspace that's 79 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:56,879 the bare minimum story 80 00:03:01,369 --> 00:02:59,400 but there's so much my friend that you 81 00:03:04,729 --> 00:03:01,379 know I just think the media should be 82 00:03:07,070 --> 00:03:04,739 asking and you know if I was CBS NBC ABC 83 00:03:09,530 --> 00:03:07,080 or the Washington Post or the LA Times 84 00:03:11,809 --> 00:03:09,540 or the New York Times I'd be deploying 85 00:03:14,690 --> 00:03:11,819 teams of people onto why the world's 86 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:14,700 most powerful military made promises 87 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,340 countless times during the week that 88 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:19,440 these objects were being engaged by 89 00:03:24,350 --> 00:03:22,319 photofighter aircraft they made promises 90 00:03:27,649 --> 00:03:24,360 to repair truth and upietro Justin 91 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:27,659 Trudeau personally guaranteed that they 92 00:03:31,369 --> 00:03:29,280 would recover the wreckage of the one 93 00:03:33,530 --> 00:03:31,379 shot down over Canada and that the 94 00:03:37,309 --> 00:03:33,540 public would be told what these objects 95 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:37,319 were why can't we be told 96 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:40,260 now you're on my friend Tim McMillan has 97 00:03:45,949 --> 00:03:42,599 just told a podcast earlier on today 98 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,959 that um it's his understanding that the 99 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:47,760 Congressional oversight committees the 100 00:03:51,949 --> 00:03:49,860 Hassan Services committee the Senate 101 00:03:54,949 --> 00:03:51,959 armed services committee and same for 102 00:03:57,770 --> 00:03:54,959 the intelligence committee have not been 103 00:03:59,509 --> 00:03:57,780 given access to the videos or 104 00:04:01,789 --> 00:03:59,519 photographs of whatever these images 105 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:01,799 were that were engaged by fighter 106 00:04:07,490 --> 00:04:04,260 aircraft and remember my friend this is 107 00:04:10,429 --> 00:04:07,500 the first time in the history of NORAD 108 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:10,439 that the Americans or the Canadians have 109 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:12,720 engaged militarily objects that have 110 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:14,700 breached U.S airspace or Canadian 111 00:04:18,969 --> 00:04:15,720 airspace 112 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:18,979 this is a huge moment and yet we still 113 00:04:25,189 --> 00:04:22,139 officially do not know what these 114 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:25,199 objects were why is that a satisfactory 115 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:28,080 situation and do we just accept the 116 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:31,080 assurances that have been given that oh 117 00:04:36,050 --> 00:04:32,699 yeah it was too hard to find these 118 00:04:37,909 --> 00:04:36,060 objects I I don't buy it I really don't 119 00:04:40,189 --> 00:04:37,919 I think they're hiding something I 120 00:04:42,770 --> 00:04:40,199 really do and I I think the public need 121 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:42,780 to ask questions 122 00:04:46,730 --> 00:04:44,880 but that podcast you mentioned with Tim 123 00:04:48,110 --> 00:04:46,740 McMillan was disclosure team with Vinnie 124 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:48,120 Adams so people should go and check that 125 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:49,860 one out it's pretty fresh even as this 126 00:04:52,610 --> 00:04:51,180 gets released it's only going to be a 127 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:52,620 couple of days old 128 00:04:57,530 --> 00:04:54,720 um Ross you're a man with considerable 129 00:04:59,870 --> 00:04:57,540 contacts and sources and you've cited 130 00:05:02,689 --> 00:04:59,880 them before what are they saying to you 131 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:02,699 about this whole situation well it's all 132 00:05:06,110 --> 00:05:04,500 contradictory to be honest Andy I've 133 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:06,120 some of them are telling me that these 134 00:05:10,730 --> 00:05:09,300 objects are anomalous but I I don't I 135 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:10,740 don't do I don't believe it I actually 136 00:05:15,170 --> 00:05:13,500 favor the it's the line that I've 137 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:15,180 probably used before with you which is 138 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:17,280 up before conspiracy 139 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:19,860 um you know I I frankly when governments 140 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:21,780 screw up their first instinct is to 141 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:24,960 cover up and um it's often the cover-up 142 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:27,120 that gets them into trouble and in this 143 00:05:31,450 --> 00:05:29,340 case I think what's happened is Joe 144 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:31,460 Biden was embarrassed terribly 145 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:33,600 egregiously embarrassed about the fact 146 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:35,520 that a Chinese spy balloon was able to 147 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:38,160 overfly American airspace and actually 148 00:05:42,469 --> 00:05:39,900 overfly some of the most sensitive 149 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:42,479 facilities nuclear facilities in America 150 00:05:47,810 --> 00:05:45,240 with impunity and was then only able to 151 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:47,820 be brought down safely over the um the 152 00:05:52,610 --> 00:05:50,580 ocean just off to South Carolina's and 153 00:05:54,529 --> 00:05:52,620 not surprisingly the media gave him a 154 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:54,539 caning for not being able to guarantee 155 00:06:00,110 --> 00:05:56,639 that these incursions over American 156 00:06:01,790 --> 00:06:00,120 airspace could not be protected and and 157 00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:01,800 the other thing that came out that 158 00:06:08,210 --> 00:06:05,220 frankly I just find gobsmacking it's the 159 00:06:11,629 --> 00:06:08,220 admission that was made by the National 160 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:11,639 Security advisor to the White House Jake 161 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:15,600 Sullivan and other DOD officials that 162 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:18,960 prior to the Chinese balloon shoot done 163 00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:22,500 the sensitivity of America's early 164 00:06:29,930 --> 00:06:25,860 warning radar and other sensor systems 165 00:06:32,629 --> 00:06:29,940 was deliberately turned down to avoid 166 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:32,639 the detection of objects 167 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:36,840 that weren't icbms or cruise missiles 168 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:39,060 now you can understand why the U.S Air 169 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:41,880 Force NORAD put a priority on 170 00:06:46,730 --> 00:06:45,300 you know icbms or cruise missiles but 171 00:06:50,930 --> 00:06:46,740 why were they making themselves 172 00:06:53,510 --> 00:06:50,940 deliberately blind to for example the 173 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:53,520 Chinese balloon which I just laugh every 174 00:06:58,309 --> 00:06:55,440 now and then I just read it it had a 175 00:07:00,830 --> 00:06:58,319 payload of three buses you know imagine 176 00:07:04,189 --> 00:07:00,840 what you could put on a bloody balloon 177 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:04,199 with three buses as a payload uh I mean 178 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:07,440 why do you need icbms if you're Al-Qaeda 179 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:09,840 or or Isis you could just bloody pump a 180 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:12,960 balloon up sit it in Northern Russia and 181 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:15,660 just drifted across U.S airspace and you 182 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:17,580 know if if you accept what we're being 183 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,160 told which I just find utterly 184 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:22,800 implausible the it's the sensitivity of 185 00:07:26,749 --> 00:07:24,720 these radar systems were turned down to 186 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:26,759 such an extent that we didn't know they 187 00:07:31,129 --> 00:07:29,160 were there I don't buy it I don't 188 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:31,139 believe it because my sources are 189 00:07:37,249 --> 00:07:33,240 telling me they have known about these 190 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:37,259 objects they are aware of incursions of 191 00:07:41,870 --> 00:07:39,720 unidentified objects including the 192 00:07:43,909 --> 00:07:41,880 anomalous objects that you and I and 193 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:43,919 your audience are interested in they've 194 00:07:48,110 --> 00:07:45,960 known about those for a very very long 195 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:48,120 time but they've been deceiving 196 00:07:52,370 --> 00:07:50,940 themselves and turning a blind eye to it 197 00:07:54,350 --> 00:07:52,380 because frankly 198 00:07:56,210 --> 00:07:54,360 I think often a lot of them are 199 00:07:58,909 --> 00:07:56,220 confounded by the mystery and they 200 00:08:01,129 --> 00:07:58,919 prefer not to think about it now the 201 00:08:02,990 --> 00:08:01,139 great thing about that incident the 202 00:08:05,210 --> 00:08:03,000 really wonderful thing about the 203 00:08:07,550 --> 00:08:05,220 National Security flight safety concerns 204 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:07,560 that have legitimately been raised by 205 00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:11,400 the Chinese balloon incursion and by the 206 00:08:18,290 --> 00:08:14,880 three mystery objects inclusion is that 207 00:08:20,330 --> 00:08:18,300 for the first time the entire U.S 208 00:08:23,689 --> 00:08:20,340 national security defense Military 209 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:23,699 Intelligence Community is fine-tuned 210 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:27,300 believe me they are fine-tuned to focus 211 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:30,300 very very hard on any unidentified 212 00:08:35,389 --> 00:08:33,240 objects coming into U.S airspace and the 213 00:08:37,790 --> 00:08:35,399 reason why is because Jake Sullivan at 214 00:08:41,389 --> 00:08:37,800 the instigation of Joe Biden has called 215 00:08:44,510 --> 00:08:41,399 an interagency task force over the heads 216 00:08:46,910 --> 00:08:44,520 of the Pentagon now why this isn't a 217 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:46,920 bigger story my friend is just baffling 218 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:50,640 to me because we know Arrow the all 219 00:08:55,070 --> 00:08:53,100 domain anomaly resolution office the 220 00:08:57,970 --> 00:08:55,080 ridiculous name for the pentagon's UAP 221 00:09:00,769 --> 00:08:57,980 investigation office it 222 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:00,779 supposedly turned with the investigation 223 00:09:07,070 --> 00:09:04,920 of uaps but the the White House quite 224 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:07,080 noticeably made the decision that this 225 00:09:11,570 --> 00:09:09,120 was going to be an interagency task 226 00:09:14,630 --> 00:09:11,580 force that went over the heads of the 227 00:09:16,550 --> 00:09:14,640 Pentagon that answers to the executive 228 00:09:17,449 --> 00:09:16,560 branch of government directly to the 229 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:17,459 White House 230 00:09:23,210 --> 00:09:20,700 now that's significant it's significant 231 00:09:25,730 --> 00:09:23,220 in that it suggests to me that the white 232 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:25,740 house does not trust the Pentagon on 233 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:27,000 this issue 234 00:09:32,690 --> 00:09:30,720 period And I know that for a fact 235 00:09:34,009 --> 00:09:32,700 I think the phrase that the left hand 236 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:34,019 doesn't know what the right hand is 237 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,940 doing in this case tends to be the left 238 00:09:38,509 --> 00:09:37,440 hand doesn't like what the right hand is 239 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:38,519 doing 240 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:39,839 um when it comes to the US government 241 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:41,519 well I think I mean it's really 242 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:42,720 interesting because I think what's 243 00:09:48,110 --> 00:09:45,600 happened here is there's been a cultural 244 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:48,120 attitude in the U.S Air Force in 245 00:09:52,610 --> 00:09:49,980 particular not so much in the U.S Navy 246 00:09:54,350 --> 00:09:52,620 that we just ignore whatever these 247 00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:54,360 anomalous phenomena are that are 248 00:09:59,150 --> 00:09:56,640 appearing on our radar screens it's 249 00:10:00,949 --> 00:09:59,160 we're told to forget about it so we will 250 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:00,959 and I think that's a culture that 251 00:10:07,790 --> 00:10:04,380 creeped into NORAD God forbid I mean 252 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:07,800 mate what is it we're 20 23. I mean I 253 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:09,720 lived through the horrors as you did of 254 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:12,120 9 11. I covered it as a journalist I've 255 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:14,100 gone through those ridiculous wars in 256 00:10:20,810 --> 00:10:16,860 Afghanistan and Iraq and and the 257 00:10:23,449 --> 00:10:20,820 absurdity of how wide open America was 258 00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:23,459 that day despite warnings intelligence 259 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:26,040 warnings that were well known and 260 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:28,680 brought out in the 911 Commission 261 00:10:32,810 --> 00:10:30,600 is there going to be a similar 262 00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:32,820 accounting for the appalling failures 263 00:10:37,850 --> 00:10:35,519 the absolutely embarrassing egregious 264 00:10:39,650 --> 00:10:37,860 failures that have been highlighted by 265 00:10:42,769 --> 00:10:39,660 these incidents these incursions into 266 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:42,779 American airspace this was as Chris 267 00:10:48,050 --> 00:10:45,000 melon has said this was a Pearl Harbor 268 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:48,060 moment it was a Sputnik moment it was a 269 00:10:51,949 --> 00:10:49,920 moment where all of a sudden the 270 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:51,959 National Security apparatus of the most 271 00:10:57,050 --> 00:10:54,240 powerful country on the planet 272 00:10:59,509 --> 00:10:57,060 its military intelligence apparatus were 273 00:11:03,470 --> 00:10:59,519 caught napping because what they've done 274 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:03,480 is they have arrogantly obscenely turned 275 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:06,240 a blind eye to the issue of unidentified 276 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:08,880 objects in U.S airspace 277 00:11:14,449 --> 00:11:12,480 for reasons that defy explanation they 278 00:11:16,850 --> 00:11:14,459 have failed their responsibility as 279 00:11:18,650 --> 00:11:16,860 Defenders of America and people in 280 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:18,660 America should be concerned about that 281 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:21,060 and it's an issue just as much in your 282 00:11:26,930 --> 00:11:24,180 country as it is in mine why are our 283 00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:26,940 governments so deliberately blind to the 284 00:11:33,410 --> 00:11:30,240 issue of objects in our airspace that 285 00:11:36,050 --> 00:11:33,420 the American government itself admits 286 00:11:38,509 --> 00:11:36,060 they shot them down because they were a 287 00:11:40,490 --> 00:11:38,519 threat to flight safety and they knew 288 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:40,500 that these objects had been appearing in 289 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:42,480 the months years previously and they'd 290 00:11:47,389 --> 00:11:43,980 done nothing about it 291 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:47,399 why if these objects were and are and 292 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:49,860 continue to be a threat to flight safety 293 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:52,260 why have we been turning a blind eye to 294 00:11:57,290 --> 00:11:54,600 them and why the hell is no National 295 00:11:59,750 --> 00:11:57,300 Security correspondent from any of the 296 00:12:02,630 --> 00:11:59,760 major newspapers or TV networks or Radio 297 00:12:04,430 --> 00:12:02,640 Networks asking this question I just 298 00:12:06,949 --> 00:12:04,440 don't understand it I really don't and I 299 00:12:10,310 --> 00:12:06,959 think we're being very badly served 300 00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:10,320 because we're at a time now in the media 301 00:12:15,470 --> 00:12:12,360 where there's a transition happening 302 00:12:18,769 --> 00:12:15,480 mate where Legacy Media 303 00:12:21,230 --> 00:12:18,779 is so under-resourced so poorly staffed 304 00:12:23,449 --> 00:12:21,240 and frankly so poorly served by people 305 00:12:25,190 --> 00:12:23,459 who don't know their job they're not 306 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:25,200 trained properly they're not really 307 00:12:29,690 --> 00:12:27,120 solid professional journalists with 308 00:12:31,970 --> 00:12:29,700 years of experience and they frankly are 309 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:31,980 just dropping the ball on this issue and 310 00:12:36,410 --> 00:12:34,320 this is where podcasts Like Yours Like 311 00:12:38,509 --> 00:12:36,420 Mine like Vinnies that did the Tim 312 00:12:40,850 --> 00:12:38,519 McMillan interview this is where all of 313 00:12:44,210 --> 00:12:40,860 this stuff is coming out now there's a 314 00:12:46,190 --> 00:12:44,220 new digital online media that is 315 00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:46,200 starting to create because frankly the 316 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:47,940 public have had a complete guts fall 317 00:12:53,930 --> 00:12:50,760 with the absolute that is being 318 00:12:55,850 --> 00:12:53,940 spewed out on Legacy Media I mean right 319 00:12:58,210 --> 00:12:55,860 up until I think 320 00:13:00,230 --> 00:12:58,220 um Julian Barnes from The New York Times 321 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:00,240 nonsensical piece I think the most 322 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:03,000 recent one he did was in January how 323 00:13:07,970 --> 00:13:05,880 embarrassing there he is saying oh you 324 00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:07,980 know all of these unidentified objects 325 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:10,980 are um almost certainly Chinese balloons 326 00:13:15,170 --> 00:13:13,860 and um drones and we can turn a blind 327 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:15,180 eye to it you know it's not an issue 328 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:17,940 move on folks get on with your lives and 329 00:13:21,949 --> 00:13:19,920 then it turns out that they were a 330 00:13:24,110 --> 00:13:21,959 threat to flight safety even if you 331 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:24,120 accept that they're Chinese drones or 332 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:26,820 Chinese balloons which frankly I don't 333 00:13:31,790 --> 00:13:30,000 we just don't know and the absurdity is 334 00:13:35,329 --> 00:13:31,800 the national media sit there and get 335 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:35,339 their cozy little briefings from the 336 00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:38,100 um PR people for the Pentagon or the 337 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:40,139 intelligence community and they just 338 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:43,680 glibly accept what they are told at what 339 00:13:49,430 --> 00:13:46,200 point do they start applying objective 340 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:49,440 analysis and critical reasoning because 341 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:51,480 seriously at the moment we do not have 342 00:13:59,090 --> 00:13:56,220 an explanation for the first ever 343 00:14:02,090 --> 00:13:59,100 in the period of NORAD the first ever 344 00:14:04,850 --> 00:14:02,100 shoot down of unidentified objects that 345 00:14:07,730 --> 00:14:04,860 have incurred into American airspace in 346 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:07,740 the history of NORAD and the only other 347 00:14:11,810 --> 00:14:09,420 incidents where this has happened before 348 00:14:15,230 --> 00:14:11,820 where there have been shootdowns have 349 00:14:17,210 --> 00:14:15,240 been Pearl Harbor in December 1941 which 350 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:17,220 we all know and which was a seminal 351 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:19,440 warning for America about the importance 352 00:14:23,329 --> 00:14:21,720 of having intelligence in a heating 353 00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:23,339 intelligence and making sure their 354 00:14:27,949 --> 00:14:25,680 airspace is protected and I think there 355 00:14:31,129 --> 00:14:27,959 was one incident where a Japanese zero 356 00:14:33,129 --> 00:14:31,139 incurred um Alaskan airspace sometime 357 00:14:36,050 --> 00:14:33,139 during World War II and was shot down 358 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:36,060 but really this is such a rare incident 359 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:39,000 and the level of inquisitiveness by the 360 00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:42,240 media has just been ridiculous 361 00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:44,639 well a good place to bring in a question 362 00:14:49,250 --> 00:14:47,279 from Jeff Jeff asks and talking about 363 00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:49,260 the White House Press briefings and lack 364 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:50,699 of robust questioning that you've 365 00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:52,440 brought up before have you got any 366 00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:54,959 direct or indirect contacts with the 367 00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:56,760 privileged few members of the press that 368 00:15:01,430 --> 00:14:59,040 get access to these as to why they're 369 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,440 not better brief to challenge the blind 370 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:04,320 answers given from those briefings well 371 00:15:08,329 --> 00:15:06,540 they are briefed because I've seen a 372 00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:08,339 couple of them my book and some of them 373 00:15:12,889 --> 00:15:10,740 are friends of mine and um what you have 374 00:15:15,949 --> 00:15:12,899 to understand is everything in the White 375 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:15,959 House Press Room is very very carefully 376 00:15:20,449 --> 00:15:18,060 choreographed they actually have a 377 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,459 seniority about which journalists get to 378 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:22,800 ask questions and it's all very very 379 00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:25,440 theatrical you don't just put your hand 380 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:27,300 up and the president answers your 381 00:15:31,129 --> 00:15:29,100 question or the National Security acts 382 00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,139 as the National Security advisor answers 383 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:33,839 your questions it's all very stage 384 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:36,959 managed and frankly that's the issue the 385 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:40,380 issue is that there there is a 386 00:15:44,269 --> 00:15:42,660 um an issue frankly and it's the same in 387 00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:44,279 your country and it's in the same in my 388 00:15:48,110 --> 00:15:46,199 country I've been at National Security 389 00:15:50,269 --> 00:15:48,120 reporter for a major newspaper in 390 00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:50,279 Australia and it's a big issue because 391 00:15:54,650 --> 00:15:52,380 frankly what happens is 392 00:15:56,449 --> 00:15:54,660 you become dependent on your sources and 393 00:15:58,129 --> 00:15:56,459 you don't want to piss them off 394 00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:58,139 I can remember 395 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:01,199 um oh God right back at the time of the 396 00:16:05,329 --> 00:16:02,880 second Gulf War 397 00:16:07,250 --> 00:16:05,339 I was tipped to the fact that the 398 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:07,260 Australian SAS were deploying in the 399 00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:09,060 western desert of Iraq 400 00:16:12,769 --> 00:16:11,399 and I could have run a dramatic story on 401 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:12,779 the front page of a major national 402 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:14,940 newspaper because I had enough 403 00:16:18,889 --> 00:16:17,220 information to say which units were 404 00:16:20,689 --> 00:16:18,899 being deployed what sort of equipment 405 00:16:22,129 --> 00:16:20,699 was being deployed and how long they 406 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,139 were going to be there but 407 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:24,480 me and my editors made a decision that 408 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:27,600 it wasn't news that ought properly to be 409 00:16:32,569 --> 00:16:29,880 reported it could have jeopardized the 410 00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:32,579 safety of servicemen in a combat zone 411 00:16:35,930 --> 00:16:35,220 and so we didn't report it 412 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,940 um 413 00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,680 and 414 00:16:41,569 --> 00:16:39,360 I didn't do that because I didn't want 415 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:41,579 to upset the defense department but 416 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,380 there's no doubt in my mind if I had 417 00:16:47,150 --> 00:16:45,120 done it if I had reported it I would 418 00:16:48,350 --> 00:16:47,160 have been off the drip forever I 419 00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,360 wouldn't have been invited to those 420 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:50,399 briefings I wouldn't have been given the 421 00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,980 opportunities to sit down with the chief 422 00:16:56,269 --> 00:16:54,959 commanders and get the briefings that 423 00:16:57,949 --> 00:16:56,279 are so important 424 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,959 uh I mean one of the one of the 425 00:17:01,490 --> 00:16:59,279 conversations that happening is 426 00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:01,500 happening in Australia at the moment is 427 00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,100 um 428 00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:04,559 should we be buying nuclear submarines 429 00:17:09,770 --> 00:17:06,900 off you guys and the Americans in you 430 00:17:11,870 --> 00:17:09,780 know Britain and America and it's a big 431 00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,880 issue because they kind of cost a 432 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:13,280 minimum of 433 00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:16,260 370 billion dollars which is just a 434 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:19,260 phenomenal amount of money and 435 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:23,040 um a lot of the uh left media are 436 00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:24,900 directing their criticism at some of our 437 00:17:28,909 --> 00:17:26,339 more established newspapers because 438 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:28,919 they've essentially slavishly reported 439 00:17:33,049 --> 00:17:30,960 what the intelligence Community is 440 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:33,059 telling them that war with China is 441 00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:34,980 inevitable and that frankly we just have 442 00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:36,299 to accept that this is going to happen 443 00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:37,620 and we're going to go to war with China 444 00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:40,020 because China is going to invade Taiwan 445 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:41,640 and we of course will back our friends 446 00:17:46,990 --> 00:17:44,760 the Americans in any war with Taiwan and 447 00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:47,000 whatever the merits of that argument 448 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:49,980 there's been no debate about it anywhere 449 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,440 that the national media has just stepped 450 00:17:56,930 --> 00:17:54,480 in lockstep behind the government on 451 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:56,940 this issue and I suspect a lot of it is 452 00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,400 based on very credible concerns about 453 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:01,679 what the Chinese are really up to and 454 00:18:07,010 --> 00:18:04,020 they are the complete bastards with 455 00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,020 Espionage they stole the F-35 fighter 456 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:10,080 plans from America they've targeted 457 00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:11,760 universities in my country that are 458 00:18:16,130 --> 00:18:14,100 involved in defense research believe me 459 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:16,140 China is a very very aggressive 460 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:19,320 Espionage partner but my point is is 461 00:18:27,409 --> 00:18:22,679 that there's a there's clearly an issue 462 00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:27,419 when there's no longer rigorous analysis 463 00:18:31,730 --> 00:18:30,299 and argument about major policy 464 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:31,740 decisions that are being made by 465 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,539 governments because the national media 466 00:18:37,789 --> 00:18:35,520 who are covering National Security 467 00:18:40,909 --> 00:18:37,799 defense and intelligence just step in 468 00:18:42,590 --> 00:18:40,919 slavishly behind and and and just adhere 469 00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,600 to what the government of the day and 470 00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:44,160 the intelligence Community tells them 471 00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,799 and this is why good men and women went 472 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:49,440 off to war in your country and died in 473 00:18:54,289 --> 00:18:52,140 the deserts of Iraq because Tony Blair 474 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:54,299 was sold apart on false intelligence 475 00:18:58,610 --> 00:18:55,740 that said there were weapons of mass 476 00:19:00,650 --> 00:18:58,620 destruction in Iraq that Saddam Hussein 477 00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:00,660 was manufacturing nuclear weapons or 478 00:19:06,409 --> 00:19:03,360 biological weapons there was and there 479 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:06,419 continues to be no evidence of that and 480 00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:10,020 so what I'm saying is there needs to be 481 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:13,500 more objective rigor the media need to 482 00:19:18,289 --> 00:19:16,020 ask harder questions 483 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:18,299 um and we're not doing that the Legacy 484 00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,460 Media is not doing that and that needs 485 00:19:24,590 --> 00:19:22,320 to ask it at press conferences but it 486 00:19:27,409 --> 00:19:24,600 also needs to ask it in basic background 487 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:27,419 journalism why has nobody written an 488 00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:30,720 article that says gee we're now weeks on 489 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,240 from the shoot down incidents 490 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:36,480 and it's like it never happened what why 491 00:19:41,210 --> 00:19:38,700 do we not know what these objects were 492 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,220 why has the most powerful country on the 493 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:43,440 planet with easily the most incredible 494 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:45,960 surveillance reconnaissance resources 495 00:19:51,289 --> 00:19:48,720 anywhere on the planet not found a 496 00:19:54,529 --> 00:19:51,299 single trace of these objects that were 497 00:19:57,710 --> 00:19:54,539 shot down and why can Joe Biden assert 498 00:19:59,450 --> 00:19:57,720 with confidence apparently that these 499 00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,460 objects were almost certainly hobby 500 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:01,919 balloons or scientific balloons when 501 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:04,559 frankly nobody has released any evidence 502 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:06,780 of that to the public and if they are 503 00:20:13,549 --> 00:20:10,080 such benign prosaic objects such mundane 504 00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:13,559 objects why can't we see the photos why 505 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:15,780 can't we see the evidence what are they 506 00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,740 hiding that's all I'm asking 507 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:21,840 you mentioned potential war with China 508 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,160 and that's something that's come up 509 00:20:27,409 --> 00:20:25,200 quite often recently given events a 510 00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:27,419 question from David what's closer to 511 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:29,220 midnight in your opinion Ross the 512 00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,760 Doomsday Clock or the disclosure clock 513 00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:34,799 or the Doomsday Clock 514 00:20:39,230 --> 00:20:37,380 no I actually when I'm put my serious 515 00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:39,240 head on for a moment mate I am really 516 00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:41,880 scared right now because I do I I talk 517 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,620 to a lot of defense and intelligence 518 00:20:48,110 --> 00:20:46,080 people in my country your country and 519 00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:48,120 the Us and other countries in my region 520 00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:50,820 and it just scares the living hell out 521 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:54,179 of me that as an 18 year old boy I was I 522 00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,580 was a punk rocker you know I I listened 523 00:21:01,130 --> 00:20:58,799 to Susie and the Banshees and basically 524 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,140 uh The Clash and was kind of nihilistic 525 00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:02,640 about the expectation I was going to 526 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:05,160 make it to 21. I really didn't expect to 527 00:21:10,850 --> 00:21:08,340 we were in such a dark period and that 528 00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:10,860 era of the Cold War I just accepted I 529 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:12,660 was going to be annihilated in a nuclear 530 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:14,700 conflagration and to me it was just an 531 00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:17,100 amazing Miracle to be one of the 532 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,320 journalists covering the fall of the the 533 00:21:24,529 --> 00:21:21,840 wall the Berlin wall and watching the 534 00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:24,539 the collapse of the Soviet Union 535 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,020 and yeah we are in believe me my friend 536 00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:30,600 the most incredibly dangerous times and 537 00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:32,580 you know it's funny I walked out of a 538 00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:34,440 gymnasium this afternoon and I was 539 00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:36,120 looking across and just watching people 540 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,980 living their normal lives it was a 541 00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:39,840 little girl skipping down the street and 542 00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:42,120 her mum was trying to grab her hand to 543 00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:44,220 stop her from running onto the road and 544 00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,220 I was just thinking oh my God we are so 545 00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:49,200 bloody lucky and yet right on the other 546 00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:50,580 side of the world there are young men 547 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:53,700 and women fighting trench warfare a 548 00:21:57,710 --> 00:21:55,140 hundred and something years on from 549 00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:57,720 World War One there are people fighting 550 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:00,559 trench warfare in the fields of Ukraine 551 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,260 over a very very important fight for 552 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,720 their sovereignty and the only way we 553 00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,640 can resolve this is with what is 554 00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,740 essentially a superpower confrontation 555 00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:13,039 between the Russians in America 556 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:17,340 it's so bloody dangerous right now and 557 00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:20,220 um I'm genuinely worried that that even 558 00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,340 a a simple mistake such as you know the 559 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:25,200 incident where um Soviet Jets 560 00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:27,780 interdicted and brought down an American 561 00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:30,419 drone the other day something like that 562 00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:34,799 could so easily escalate and and that's 563 00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:37,500 so much more the focus I can tell you of 564 00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:39,059 what's going on in the defense and 565 00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:40,740 intelligence community and disclosure 566 00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:44,940 and frankly there was an initiative and 567 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:46,620 there still continues to be an 568 00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:48,840 initiative within sections of the 569 00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,280 American defense and intelligence 570 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,620 Community to be more open with the 571 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:54,480 public about what they really know about 572 00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,419 the phenomenon of uaps but I think 573 00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:59,039 that's all been put on the back burner 574 00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:00,900 it really has been put on the back 575 00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:03,240 burner because of the fact that 576 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:06,780 everybody I talk to is totally laser 577 00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:14,210 well well things are a little bit more 578 00:23:18,049 --> 00:23:15,659 somber I might as well keep it along 579 00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:18,059 that line and a question from Peter he 580 00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:20,100 asks with what Ross claims he knows but 581 00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:22,260 can't reveal are we better off never 582 00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:24,059 knowing or must the truth be revealed 583 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,280 however dangerous painful or disturbing 584 00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,080 Peter adds that he's thinking of the 585 00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:30,000 strap line that you said on your Theory 586 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:31,980 of Everything interview uh what I've 587 00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:36,120 been told would cause Panic if I said it 588 00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:38,700 yeah and I I it's funny a lot of people 589 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:40,980 use that term claims yeah I mean I I 590 00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,100 claim I I know things I don't claim I 591 00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,320 know things what I say is I've been told 592 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,140 things I'm a journal journals are only 593 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,120 ever as good as the sources that tell 594 00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,240 them stuff and in my career I'm sure 595 00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,360 I've been told crap every Journal gets 596 00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:59,460 told crap from time to time there's a 597 00:24:02,770 --> 00:24:01,260 thing called disinformation that 598 00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:02,780 intelligence Services 599 00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:08,340 quite often false information is sewed 600 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:10,140 with journalists and it's a big worry of 601 00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:13,980 mine that in this UAP field every time I 602 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:16,140 say something I've Been Told 603 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:19,320 I'm quoted saying I know I mean one of 604 00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:21,000 the best examples of that was the future 605 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,159 human hypothesis that was put to me by 606 00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,980 quite a number of people in defense in 607 00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,539 intelligence circles 608 00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,720 and frankly I don't know that for sure 609 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:33,120 all I can say is this is what I'm being 610 00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:36,659 told and frankly I don't know if it's 611 00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:38,700 true or not and a lot of people have had 612 00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,620 a go at me going well wish just shut the 613 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,539 up then you know and I I just think 614 00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:45,120 well them you know the bottom line 615 00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:47,159 is they don't have to listen 616 00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:49,260 um uh you know I just think ultimately 617 00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:53,100 what my job is is to report accurately 618 00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:55,559 and fairly and attempt the analysis of 619 00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:00,710 well a question from long time listener 620 00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:02,280 nurses takes is a little bit more 621 00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:04,740 classic UFO I think you're Ross um 622 00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,600 Ross's investigation points to a 623 00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,640 physical phenomenon of nuts bolts and 624 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,919 crash retrieval programs how did he 625 00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:12,960 square up the non-physical claims for 626 00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:15,000 example Chris Blitz those experiences 627 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,400 are they also just manifestations or an 628 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,260 advanced technology or are we dealing 629 00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:21,120 with a parallel phenomena 630 00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:23,159 it's funny actually uh Andy I noticed 631 00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:25,260 that you're promoing interviews that 632 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:27,900 you've got with Chris coming up or Ryan 633 00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,340 I'm not sure which one it is but um yeah 634 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,140 yeah I'm really interested in in hearing 635 00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:36,120 Chris and I'll be watching your podcast 636 00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:38,940 and other interviews that he's done 637 00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:40,140 um 638 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,279 look frankly I I don't think an analysis 639 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,500 of the phenomenon 640 00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:49,140 cannot include 641 00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:50,820 the Paranormal 642 00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:52,200 you know the sort of things we're 643 00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,340 talking about 644 00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:55,679 I mean you have Jay Stratton the former 645 00:26:02,590 --> 00:25:57,720 head of the UAP task force in the 646 00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:02,600 Pentagon admitting that he was visited 647 00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,720 by some kind of dog man werewolf entity 648 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,600 at his family home that his family was 649 00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:11,820 basically harassed this is the story 650 00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:14,820 told in um com Kelleher and George 651 00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,500 Knapp's book The skinwalkers at the 652 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:17,520 Pentagon 653 00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:22,320 and whilst they use a um a pseudonym for 654 00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,360 J Stratton blind Freddy can see who it 655 00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:26,460 is and I think he's just recently talked 656 00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:28,140 more about this at the alien con 657 00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,779 conference that happened in early March 658 00:26:36,649 --> 00:26:32,580 and so you've got 659 00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:36,659 senior officials such as Jim simivan Jay 660 00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:37,980 Stratton 661 00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:40,500 and others that I've spoken to 662 00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:42,299 some of them whose names have not yet 663 00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:45,179 been made public who have described to 664 00:26:48,409 --> 00:26:46,200 me 665 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:48,419 bloody horrendous stuff that is 666 00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,760 Paranormal I mean I there's a guy I 667 00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:52,679 spoke to very early on in my research 668 00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:56,520 who is formerly very senior in the FBI 669 00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:59,100 and he's never gone public so the FBI is 670 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,980 like America's federal police if you 671 00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,840 like and they're an incredibly powerful 672 00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:05,039 agency 673 00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:09,059 and um he's got secrecy clearances and 674 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,360 basically he describes something eerily 675 00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:14,640 similar to what Jim Sim events described 676 00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,860 you know some kind of hooded figure 677 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:18,840 appearing in his bedroom 678 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:21,240 now I don't think any legitimate 679 00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:23,220 investigation of the phenomenon can 680 00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:25,460 avoid the fact that there are people 681 00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,220 including reputable people claiming that 682 00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:31,320 they've had these encounters I wasn't 683 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,480 there in their bedroom with them when 684 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:35,340 these encounters occurred so it makes it 685 00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:38,100 bloody hard to investigate how can you 686 00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,900 verify 687 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:41,460 um there's one person I've been talking 688 00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:44,100 to who claimed an abduction and they 689 00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:46,020 said that they had a flatmate in the 690 00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:49,799 house who who witnessed the fact that um 691 00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:52,200 they were away from their bedroom after 692 00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:55,140 a huge flash of light and I spent an 693 00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:56,700 enormous amount of time trying to find 694 00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:00,059 that former flatmate and verify that you 695 00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,740 know there was this absence from the 696 00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:03,840 home that was unexplained and I just got 697 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:05,940 absolutely nowhere and I spent days on 698 00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,100 it you know trying to search databases 699 00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,080 to try and find this person who I just 700 00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:12,900 could not for the life of me find 701 00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,020 um but I I do I accept that there has to 702 00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:18,419 be if we're going to talk about the 703 00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:21,059 phenomenon the phenomenon encompasses 704 00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:25,799 yes nuts and bolts alleged craft 705 00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:27,539 and I say alleged because I'm not 706 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:29,820 entirely sure they are nuts and bolts 707 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:31,400 craft 708 00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:34,140 and but it also includes paranormal 709 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,299 phenomena you know the claims of 710 00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,640 Skinwalker Ranch werewolves dogmen 711 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,039 portals three-dimensional portals weird 712 00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:43,440 magnetic anomalies I mean all of that 713 00:28:48,289 --> 00:28:45,000 has to be taken into account and 714 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:48,299 considered is it real I I don't know if 715 00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,600 it is but what I am sure of and I'm 716 00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,279 increasingly sure of this is that 717 00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:55,740 Jacques valet is right when he says that 718 00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:57,779 the least likely explanation for what 719 00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:59,700 we're talking about is the 720 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,220 Extraterrestrial hypothesis 721 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,000 I suspect whatever it is if it's real 722 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:09,600 is intra-terrestrial 723 00:29:20,110 --> 00:29:17,570 how do you view figures like J Stratton 724 00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,120 and Tim Taylor 725 00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,140 mixing and this is something I've seen a 726 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,990 Travis Taylor 727 00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:29,520 um because I wish it was yeah yeah I 728 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:31,799 wish it was Tim Taylor because I dream 729 00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:33,240 of getting an interview with Tim Taylor 730 00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,220 Just for the benefit of our audience Tim 731 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,500 Taylor is a slightly more enigmatic 732 00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:39,840 character who's stayed very much in the 733 00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:42,899 shadows but who if one reads the um 734 00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,059 Diana Walsh per soccer book American 735 00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,419 Cosmic I think he's very thinly hidden 736 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:50,520 behind us pseudonym and he's just quite 737 00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:52,760 the most extraordinary character who 738 00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:56,340 clearly has made allegations to uh Diana 739 00:30:01,010 --> 00:29:59,340 and other people that he's involved in 740 00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,020 the program 741 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:02,880 but no you're asking me what do I think 742 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:04,980 of Jay Stratton and Travis Taylor 743 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,640 engaging with the alien con audience 744 00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:10,980 well just from that General circuit 745 00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,539 because that's been debated hasn't it 746 00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,220 that should yeah big figures like that 747 00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:16,080 be going out with that Ancient Aliens 748 00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:18,179 type crew look I was really surprised 749 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:20,340 they did it to be honest and I'm pretty 750 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,380 sure Jay Stratton particularly regrets 751 00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:24,000 it because 752 00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:26,460 um he did ask he did request that the 753 00:30:31,549 --> 00:30:28,919 audience not record the conversation 754 00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:31,559 that he had with them and somebody in 755 00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,380 that audience recorded it and my dear 756 00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:36,240 friend and colleague Joe murger and I 757 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,620 don't blame him for this has done a 758 00:30:43,149 --> 00:30:40,320 transcript and poor old Jay I'm sure is 759 00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,159 quite upset that his 760 00:30:48,289 --> 00:30:46,200 private background comments to a select 761 00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,299 group at the aliencon have now been 762 00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:50,760 published on the Twitter feed in a 763 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,440 sensational way and I noticed Josh 764 00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:54,720 Boswell from the daily mails had some 765 00:31:00,130 --> 00:30:56,460 fun with it as well where he's basically 766 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,140 picked up on the fact that um Jay has 767 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,440 allegedly asserted that the Pentagon 768 00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,960 bosses of intelligence Scott Moultrie 769 00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:09,360 Scott Bray and Ron Moultrie misled 770 00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:11,700 Congress when they gave their briefings 771 00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:14,880 in May last year I mean it's a hell of a 772 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,360 thing to get anyone from the UAP task 773 00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:20,940 force serving or former to actually 774 00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,840 appear at an alien conference and and 775 00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:26,760 the fact that people have behaved so 776 00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,340 irresponsibly and secretly recorded them 777 00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:31,980 contrary to their requests and put that 778 00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,020 up online it's just not going to happen 779 00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:36,720 again so it's it's academic I'd be very 780 00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:39,960 very surprised if Jay participates in a 781 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:43,740 public forum like that ever again and we 782 00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:46,740 know obviously Travis Taylor is um a 783 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:49,080 scientist he's as well as being the 784 00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:50,760 chief scientist working on the UAP 785 00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,460 investigations with the Pentagon he's 786 00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,500 also the scientist attached to the 787 00:32:00,049 --> 00:31:57,419 Skinwalker Ranch program and through no 788 00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,059 fault of Travis the skin walker Ranch 789 00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,000 program whilst I enjoy it it's done in a 790 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,279 very sensationalized way in a way that I 791 00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,500 think alienates a lot of people who want 792 00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:09,720 this subject matter to be taken 793 00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,020 seriously and um same with alien con I 794 00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,120 mean again I I you know I've been to a 795 00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:16,799 couple of UFO conferences and I've got 796 00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:18,899 no issue with them but frankly if you 797 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:22,020 want to be taken seriously and if you 798 00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:25,320 want the subject matter of uaps to be 799 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:27,000 essentially become the subject of 800 00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:28,740 academic research and scientific 801 00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,039 analysis I I don't think 802 00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:33,840 um a 803 00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,559 an alien conference is the way to do it 804 00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:39,360 um and and I know a lot of people for 805 00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:40,980 example have been quite critical of 806 00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,500 Professor Avi Loeb from Harvard 807 00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:45,899 University's Galileo project 808 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:49,679 for doing a co-written paper with Sean 809 00:32:53,889 --> 00:32:52,380 Kirkpatrick the the head of Arrow the 810 00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,899 government's UAP 811 00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:55,919 investigations office 812 00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,460 but frankly it's that kind of work that 813 00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,080 does need to be done I was actually 814 00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,360 quite heartened to see a collaboration 815 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:05,940 between reputable professor of 816 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:10,020 astronomic uh uh astronomy and um a 817 00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,460 member of the government's ongoing 818 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:13,679 investigations into uaps I was really 819 00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:15,960 heartened by that and I thought the 820 00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,580 point that they made in their draft 821 00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:19,620 paper which hasn't yet been 822 00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,799 peer-reviewed in that draft paper they 823 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,200 do raise concerns about whether the 824 00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:27,600 sensor systems used in the U.S Navy 825 00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:30,840 sightings were adequate to make the 826 00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,519 conclusions that have been made about 827 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:34,980 the gimbal go fast and Tic-Tac sightings 828 00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:37,260 the one issue I have with their paper 829 00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,299 and before it goes to peer review is 830 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:41,760 they should really be acknowledging 831 00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,700 um Sean Kirkpatrick particularly that 832 00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,039 there is other data that we all know of 833 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:49,679 that was taken from the USS Princeton 834 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,980 and the USS Nimitz and the E2 Hawkeye 835 00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,260 aircraft in the form of data bricks 836 00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,799 which were a massive range of sensor 837 00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:00,960 systems that recorded what actually 838 00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:03,240 happened during that encounter and I 839 00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,159 know that it's that data that has 840 00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,040 informed Jay stratton's conclusions that 841 00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:10,679 were given in a briefing to no less than 842 00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,320 the gang of eight which is the overall 843 00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:15,780 oversight body for secrets in the US 844 00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,240 government and I should point you to the 845 00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:20,399 fact that Congressman Jim Himes from 846 00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:22,080 Connecticut who's a member of the game 847 00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:23,040 of eight 848 00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:26,460 he was asked by Stephen Colbert just the 849 00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:29,639 other day about the U.S Navy sightings 850 00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:31,740 and even though he happily acknowledged 851 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,740 that some or you know a lot of the 852 00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:37,440 objects seen by pilots can be dismissed 853 00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:39,720 and prosaically explained with mundane 854 00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,119 objects maybe like other aircraft or 855 00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,399 balloons he acknowledged that the gang 856 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,679 of eight has been told and that he is 857 00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,720 satisfied from the briefings that he has 858 00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,359 received that there is still a genuine 859 00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:53,460 mystery with some of these objects that 860 00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:56,940 requires investigation and Analysis and 861 00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:59,400 so when you have say God bless him the 862 00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:01,380 mick West's and other debunkers of this 863 00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:03,000 world who are basically tilting at the 864 00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,580 windmills to basically suggest that you 865 00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:07,560 know they've made terrible mistakes in 866 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,780 their briefings it's just an arrogant 867 00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:12,480 conceit to suggest that all of the data 868 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:14,820 hasn't been considered mix doing his 869 00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:18,359 analysis on that one video I'm told by 870 00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:20,339 my sources that there are multiple 871 00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:23,400 sensor systems that have involved the 872 00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:26,339 decision that was made that yes there is 873 00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:28,619 a genuine anomaly here that cannot be 874 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:31,920 explained that goes beyond a lot of 875 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,280 terrestrial human science and requires 876 00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:37,680 explanation and so 877 00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,660 you know I I guess I'm making an 878 00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:41,460 argument for rigorous scientific 879 00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:45,540 research but at the same time it 880 00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:47,339 shouldn't be dishonest scientific 881 00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,560 research because the other thing about 882 00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:51,119 the Avi lobe 883 00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,940 um Sean Kirkpatrick paper was that it 884 00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:56,400 was trying to confine its analysis and I 885 00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:58,020 really commend this paper to people who 886 00:36:01,550 --> 00:35:59,160 are actually really interested in this 887 00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:01,560 issue because it was an attempt to do a 888 00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:03,720 scientific investigation of one of the 889 00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:07,260 key issues in UAP sightings these U.S 890 00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,780 Navy sightings and it only really 891 00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:11,700 focused on the forward-looking infrared 892 00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,780 Imaging 893 00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,119 and I just think it was disingenuous for 894 00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:17,280 them to try and do an analysis that was 895 00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:19,980 based on Newtonian physics talking about 896 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,720 the friction that should have been 897 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,940 created by objects doing these kind of 898 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:25,200 maneuvers 899 00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:27,300 when in fact everybody knows that what 900 00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:29,339 we're talking about here are objects 901 00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:32,520 that clearly are not obeying the laws of 902 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,740 conventional physics they go far beyond 903 00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,380 what what we understand to be normal 904 00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:40,560 physics and a lot of what is currently 905 00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:43,500 hypothetical in Quantum science is 906 00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:45,660 possibly the explanation and I would 907 00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:47,660 have liked to have seen a broader 908 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,220 incorporation of those possibilities in 909 00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:52,320 quantum physics taken into that 910 00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:55,079 scientific paper which to be fair hasn't 911 00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:57,060 yet been submitted for peer review and I 912 00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,260 hope they will 913 00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:01,200 so I'm making a a broad argument my 914 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:02,940 friend for 915 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:06,180 yes to respond to your question 916 00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:09,660 less sensationalism less 917 00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,780 dramatic breathless stuff at UFO 918 00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,180 conferences and more scientific rigor 919 00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,760 and objective analysis and in that I 920 00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:19,560 include the mainstream media because 921 00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,200 we've all failed in the mainstream media 922 00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:25,440 I include myself in that 923 00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:27,660 and to be fair and the subject that 924 00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:29,099 there's always 925 00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:32,460 a call and a want of sensationalism some 926 00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:34,140 people are in it for that they want the 927 00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:35,940 wildest most incredible claims they want 928 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:38,820 to hear about the Antarctic UFO Nazi 929 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:40,260 bases and they want to hear about the 930 00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:41,880 Dark Side of them and and then you've 931 00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:43,500 got the far extreme where people want 932 00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:46,619 the real science hard data and I think I 933 00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:47,880 like to think I meet somewhere in the 934 00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:49,260 middle of all of that maybe slightly 935 00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:51,060 more towards a significant to be fair 936 00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,400 but do you think that you've mentioned 937 00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:54,960 Dr Sean Kirkpatrick in the the 938 00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:58,079 co-written paper do you think this is 939 00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:01,079 a blow to The credibility of Arrow and 940 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,540 what it can achieve and maybe this will 941 00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,060 allow people a little less hype when it 942 00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:08,400 comes to those next UFO reports or UAP 943 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,040 task force reports that will be due 944 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,200 because Dr Sean Kirkpatrick seems to be 945 00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:16,320 going down one particular path with this 946 00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:17,880 I don't know if I accept that 947 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:20,220 proposition yet I mean I know Lou when I 948 00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:22,740 interviewed him shortly after the uh May 949 00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,540 hearing last year he was quite critical 950 00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,760 of Sean Kirkpatrick 951 00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:28,079 but 952 00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,420 I'm hearing good things that 953 00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:32,700 Kirkpatrick's a solid scientist and that 954 00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,900 he's actually quite interested in 955 00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,000 getting to the bottom of this and more 956 00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,920 importantly this is something you've 957 00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:40,140 really got to take into account 958 00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,640 a lot of people in the defense and 959 00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:43,440 intelligence Community have forgotten in 960 00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:45,720 America that it's not the bloody 961 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,099 intelligence community and defense 962 00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:49,680 community that run America it's Congress 963 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:52,940 and mate Congress has found its balls 964 00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,400 believe me the oversight committees have 965 00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:59,520 got teeth and they're using it because 966 00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:01,800 they realize they've been lied to I've 967 00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:03,540 actually had conversations with people 968 00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:06,839 in Congress who've told me their aware 969 00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:09,300 now that they've been misled and they 970 00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,339 are determined to get to the truth of 971 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:14,160 this and people like Kirkpatrick know 972 00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:16,200 where history is going 973 00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:19,220 he's leading a unit which has been 974 00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:22,859 legislatively mandated to tell the truth 975 00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:27,420 about uaps the Congress has made an 976 00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,320 order 977 00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,480 and yeah okay you know you can have the 978 00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:32,640 disingenuous briefings from Susan Goff 979 00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,339 of Pentagon PR as much as you like to 980 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,740 certain individuals who then parrot what 981 00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:40,260 the Pentagon want them to say but no 982 00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:42,359 amount of pity sniping from the 983 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,520 sidelines is going to deter the Congress 984 00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:47,280 from asking the hard questions and 985 00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:48,839 that's what I'm really heartened about a 986 00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:51,060 lot of the people I talk to are in those 987 00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,339 committees those key oversight 988 00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:55,320 committees the armed services committee 989 00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:58,020 and the intelligence committees and boy 990 00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:01,380 they are they are aware especially since 991 00:40:05,089 --> 00:40:03,060 the shootdown incidents that they've 992 00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:05,099 been being bullshitted to that a lot of 993 00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:07,260 the assurances that they were given by 994 00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:09,000 the intelligence community and the 995 00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,400 defense department are eerily evocative 996 00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:14,400 of what was said towards the 911 997 00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:16,980 Commission in the in the wash-up the 998 00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,740 post-mortem after that awful disaster 999 00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:21,599 where so many thousands of Americans 1000 00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:25,079 died in the 9 11 attack they don't want 1001 00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:27,180 this to happen again and you have to 1002 00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:29,400 understand that what's happened as a 1003 00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:31,859 result of the Chinese balloon and 1004 00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:34,680 mystery shootdowns in incidents is that 1005 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,079 an issue that was previously very much 1006 00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:40,440 On The Fringe uaps you know anomalous 1007 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:42,180 aerial phenomena 1008 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:45,540 all of a sudden it's become almost by 1009 00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:48,720 accident a huge concern to the Congress 1010 00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:50,940 because one of the things that started 1011 00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:53,300 happening was people like Marco Rubio 1012 00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:00,240 people like um uh John uh Kennedy the um 1013 00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,079 uh the guy from Woody from Louisiana 1014 00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,000 um all of a sudden people started 1015 00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,880 conflating the issue of unidentified 1016 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:10,619 objects that have strayed into American 1017 00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:14,160 airspace with the broader issue of how 1018 00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:16,920 the Congress is aware from private skiff 1019 00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:19,859 briefings of unidentified anomalous 1020 00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:22,920 phenomena that's still to this day being 1021 00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:25,740 seen in American airspace and remained 1022 00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,680 unexplained and so those two issues have 1023 00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:29,599 now 1024 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,079 this both sides of the Congress 1025 00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,880 it's almost like they're trying to outdo 1026 00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,220 each other because as soon as you get 1027 00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,200 senator gillibrand from the Democrats 1028 00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,599 basically saying you know she's doing 1029 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:47,700 her doing her level best to ensure that 1030 00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:50,880 Arrow gets funding a Bob's uh Timber 1031 00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,480 chat and Matt gates from Florida 1032 00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:55,680 basically saying they've just had a 1033 00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:58,740 secret briefing in Florida about 1034 00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:01,800 um uh video or some kind of imagery that 1035 00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:04,320 they were shown by the Commanding 1036 00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:07,680 General of a base and that's totally 1037 00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:10,380 escaped the Legacy media's attention but 1038 00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,420 it's been rightly picked up by good 1039 00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,060 people on social media who saw the 1040 00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,760 interview firstly on Newsmax and then um 1041 00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:19,260 I think there was also an interview in 1042 00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,859 Newsweek and Tucker Carlson also added 1043 00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,839 what he said and by putting all of those 1044 00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:27,240 three of her interviews together it's 1045 00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:30,720 clear that two Republican congressmen 1046 00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:33,660 both sitting on key oversight committees 1047 00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:36,780 have been given a very sensitive top 1048 00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:39,660 secret briefing where they were shown in 1049 00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:41,640 controvertible evidence of anomalous 1050 00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,240 craft four anomalous craft flying very 1051 00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:47,400 close to U.S aircraft 1052 00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,740 now the big issue that you need to 1053 00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,420 understand and your audience needs to 1054 00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:54,180 understand is what Sean Kirkpatrick 1055 00:42:59,809 --> 00:42:56,700 thinks about this is utterly irrelevant 1056 00:43:02,809 --> 00:42:59,819 because he's just a little bureaucrat in 1057 00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,819 the machine who will do he will bloody 1058 00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:04,740 well do what the Congress does for 1059 00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,260 demands from him because if he doesn't 1060 00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,319 he'll be out on his ear and the whole 1061 00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:12,599 politics has changed in this issue 1062 00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:16,140 because of what happened in February all 1063 00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:18,420 of a sudden or was it March 1064 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,280 forgotten minutes yeah was it yeah it 1065 00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:22,740 was when were the shoot dance like this 1066 00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:28,730 March February it was February no it was 1067 00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,079 February yeah and so everything changed 1068 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:34,440 in February and that's that's the point 1069 00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:36,780 is that all of a sudden by almost 1070 00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:39,000 complete accident because of the 1071 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,460 fascical incompetence of NORAD in the 1072 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,780 U.S Air Force who were doing their 1073 00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:45,420 little bit hit Level best to stick their 1074 00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,060 heads in the sand on this issue all of a 1075 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,180 sudden uaps are now a bipartisan 1076 00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:54,000 political concern in the Congress that's 1077 00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,420 great it's really good news 1078 00:44:01,849 --> 00:44:00,240 my ignorance or lack of understanding of 1079 00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,859 the American political system might come 1080 00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:03,900 into play here but I wonder for those 1081 00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,579 that worry about the toothpaste going 1082 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,400 back into the tube on this this issue is 1083 00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:11,220 time not against us because Congress men 1084 00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:12,900 and women and elected representatives 1085 00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,660 come and go with being voted and out of 1086 00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,000 their positions but The Gatekeepers and 1087 00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:20,520 secret keepers are in for the Long Haul 1088 00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:22,020 in those positions aren't they so it's 1089 00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,300 just a case of waiting out and those 1090 00:44:28,849 --> 00:44:26,460 folks know your Gela Branch or Rubios 1091 00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:28,859 your Warners they might not be there in 1092 00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:30,780 a few years look I think you're right 1093 00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:32,940 mate now I I've actually said repeatedly 1094 00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:35,099 that I am very concerned as you say that 1095 00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:36,900 the toothpaste might be put back in the 1096 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:39,180 tube that there is an enormous pushback 1097 00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,870 twitterers social mediaers who are 1098 00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:50,400 basically allowing themselves to be led 1099 00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,500 by the nose by people in the Pentagon 1100 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,839 who really should know better there is 1101 00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:57,599 this purile attempt to try and push back 1102 00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:00,599 to suggest for example that 1103 00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:01,260 um 1104 00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:04,619 I mean I I one of my pet hatreds was the 1105 00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:07,079 absolutely nonsensical report that was 1106 00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:08,819 published by the New York Times National 1107 00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,160 Security correspondent I think it was 1108 00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,560 September last year where they tried to 1109 00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:15,480 suggest that all of the objects that 1110 00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:17,700 were recorded off the west coast of the 1111 00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,319 USA and the 2018-2019 USS Omaha USS 1112 00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:24,000 Russell incident where either Chinese 1113 00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,579 drones or of some kind or some kind of 1114 00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:28,440 balloon technology 1115 00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,800 mate I've spoken to so many sources 1116 00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,079 government sources intelligence sources 1117 00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:36,660 defense sources who say that that is a 1118 00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:40,200 big steaming pile of and the 1119 00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:42,540 reporter should know better and I was 1120 00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,140 really heartened that um Jim Hines from 1121 00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:48,480 the gang of eight the Connecticut uh 1122 00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:52,560 Congressman confirmed that there are U.S 1123 00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:55,020 Navy sightings that do require ongoing 1124 00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:57,900 investigation and I was really heartened 1125 00:46:02,569 --> 00:46:00,180 to hear Jay Stratton spoke to the alien 1126 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,579 con conference he probably won't do it 1127 00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,319 again but in the conference he 1128 00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:07,200 apparently told the conference that that 1129 00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:10,980 what the Pentagon told the Congress in 1130 00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:16,380 the May briefing in 2021 about the um 1131 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:20,819 the U.S Navy sightings was inaccurate 1132 00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,000 that that they were aware of a pyramidal 1133 00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:26,160 object that these could not be explained 1134 00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,920 as conventional drones and there was if 1135 00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:31,260 they are foreign technology that's a 1136 00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,720 bigger concern because it means whoever 1137 00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,480 that foreign nation is it has developed 1138 00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,880 technology that is a mind-blowingly 1139 00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,460 advanced and why the hell would China 1140 00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:43,980 deploy surveillance drones that were so 1141 00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,740 Advanced over U.S Navy ships in a 1142 00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,660 training exercise just off the U.S Coast 1143 00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:50,940 knowing they could so easily have been 1144 00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:53,700 shot down if they were just drones and 1145 00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,099 for that matter why were none shot down 1146 00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:58,980 if these were just drones as people say 1147 00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:01,500 why wasn't the US able to bring them 1148 00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:03,000 down when they had what are called 1149 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,540 Snoopy teams with electromagnetic pulse 1150 00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:08,700 weapons that are able to bring down a 1151 00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:10,140 conventional drone 1152 00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,020 more importantly as Jay Stratton told 1153 00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:18,420 the alien con conference 1154 00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:20,760 whatever they were there were hundreds 1155 00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:24,240 of them swarming different U.S Navy 1156 00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:27,480 ships at the same time all detected on 1157 00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,119 radar and sensor systems 1158 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,359 think about that it's breathtaking 1159 00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,240 the implications either are some foreign 1160 00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,339 adversary has developed a drone or 1161 00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,079 balloon technology that is 1162 00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:42,480 mind-blowingly Advanced and a serious 1163 00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,819 National Security concern 1164 00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:46,020 or 1165 00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:49,140 it's something else 1166 00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:50,940 and this is the problem this is my 1167 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:53,160 problem with a lot of the um American 1168 00:47:58,190 --> 00:47:56,700 Media is what they do is they they get 1169 00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,200 their little shorthand pad and they walk 1170 00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:59,760 up the steps of the Pentagon and they're 1171 00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,260 so excited to be a national security 1172 00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:03,240 correspondent and they think they do 1173 00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,980 their job just by parroting what they're 1174 00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:06,240 told 1175 00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:08,220 that's not that's not good enough that's 1176 00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:10,619 not what the great iaf Stones The Great 1177 00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,839 journalists have done in history in 1178 00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:14,819 journalism they've used their own 1179 00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,099 sources to test those claims and to 1180 00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,440 analyze that evidence that's the problem 1181 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:22,200 this isn't happening now in Legacy Media 1182 00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:23,880 in the United States because what's 1183 00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:26,579 happened is the the encroachment of the 1184 00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:28,560 internet the Googles the meters the 1185 00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:30,140 Facebooks and all of these other 1186 00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:32,760 organizations that have taken so much of 1187 00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:35,099 the advertising revenue of Legacy Media 1188 00:48:41,230 --> 00:48:38,099 they've weakened these organizations at 1189 00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,240 a time when we need tough 1190 00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,880 interrogative media objective media like 1191 00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,319 never before 1192 00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:47,760 and here we are you know we're 1193 00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,460 sleepwalking towards a war with China 1194 00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:53,520 right now and we're being told war is 1195 00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,670 what I'd like to know is on and this is 1196 00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:03,960 from Mike do you have any idea who 1197 00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,420 specifically might be in charge of their 1198 00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,119 secret UFO recovery program makes under 1199 00:49:13,130 --> 00:49:10,800 the impression that someone or one 1200 00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:13,140 individual group is calling the shots is 1201 00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:14,760 that your understanding or is this 1202 00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:16,859 spread over a larger area 1203 00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,319 I'm going to use a word 1204 00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:21,839 actually I'm going to use two words 1205 00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:24,540 Group K 1206 00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:27,240 remember that 1207 00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,819 Group K 1208 00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,280 and I hope it's causing a minor coronary 1209 00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:34,200 infarction for somebody in the Pentagon 1210 00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:35,940 right now 1211 00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:38,579 that's all I'm going to say 1212 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,880 but that group is very important if 1213 00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,440 there is 1214 00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:47,040 an organization that is gatekeeping and 1215 00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:48,300 if there is 1216 00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:50,220 and I suspect there is that is 1217 00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:53,060 gatekeeping access to information on 1218 00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:55,800 uaps possibly crash retrievals and 1219 00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:58,680 possibly reverse engineering programs 1220 00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,619 a good starting point is the special 1221 00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,780 Access program oversight committee 1222 00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:06,180 membership of the United States defense 1223 00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,079 department 1224 00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:09,180 and they're listed members 1225 00:50:13,930 --> 00:50:11,339 I've approached a few of them myself 1226 00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:13,940 over the years to no great shakes 1227 00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:17,160 another one is as well as the sapoc 1228 00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:22,560 there's the srg the senior review group 1229 00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:26,040 and these are the people who review the 1230 00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,780 most sensitive secrets in the US 1231 00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:33,109 the waived unacknowledged special access 1232 00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:34,619 programs 1233 00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:37,920 if anyone knows they do 1234 00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,960 and look frankly there's a hell of a lot 1235 00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,700 that's on the public record I just 1236 00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:44,280 noticed today for example that um 1237 00:50:48,609 --> 00:50:46,440 uh it was flying around social media 1238 00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,619 that Eric Davis God bless him yet again 1239 00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:51,359 Jacques valet's Diaries have provided 1240 00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:54,359 more information about an incident where 1241 00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:57,720 Jacques was informed by Hal putoff Eric 1242 00:51:03,049 --> 00:51:00,780 Davis's thin boss at the time that Eric 1243 00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:03,059 had met no no less than the former 1244 00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,339 President George Bush Senior 1245 00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:07,920 and that Bush was giving Eric advice 1246 00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:12,300 about the um uh intelligence community 1247 00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:15,720 and Eric not unsurprisingly asked 1248 00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:18,839 questions about General Corso could 1249 00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:20,940 Corso have been mistaken in dealing with 1250 00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:23,220 the material he was handling could that 1251 00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:25,500 have been Nazi Hardware Eric asked 1252 00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:28,440 George Bush Senior impossible replied 1253 00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:29,700 bush 1254 00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:32,460 he then remembered General Trudeau who 1255 00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:34,980 showed interest he asked 1256 00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:36,660 um 1257 00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,540 uh I can't move on he asked about the 1258 00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:41,760 Holloman film which is the alleged 1259 00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,859 Landing of an alien spacecraft at the 1260 00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:45,480 Holloman Air Force Base which frankly 1261 00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:47,819 I've always thought was just a specious 1262 00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:48,780 story 1263 00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:52,140 and the former president was aware of it 1264 00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:54,300 was it a training film a special ops 1265 00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:55,380 exercise 1266 00:52:03,230 --> 00:51:59,940 no George Bush Senior replied it was the 1267 00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:03,240 real thing there was a secret project 1268 00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:07,619 and the security was obscene 1269 00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:10,200 now little tidbits like that appear in 1270 00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:11,700 Jacques valet's Forbidden Science 1271 00:52:17,230 --> 00:52:15,000 Diaries time and time again there was a 1272 00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:17,240 mention just the other day of a former 1273 00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,140 senior member of the government 1274 00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:21,119 Accounting Office that was involved in 1275 00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,160 an audit investigation that allegedly 1276 00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,980 uncovered monies leading to the program 1277 00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:28,380 I think his name was General bowder from 1278 00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:29,579 memory 1279 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:32,280 there are trails to follow 1280 00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,579 and if I was a member of that gatekeeper 1281 00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:37,680 group who are hiding 1282 00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,300 the 1283 00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:41,460 evidence that a lot of people suspect 1284 00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:43,859 that they are hiding I'd be getting very 1285 00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,780 nervous right now because the Congress 1286 00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:48,240 has mandated that this information be 1287 00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:51,540 provided to the Congress through Arrow 1288 00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:54,180 and the stipulation is that if it hasn't 1289 00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:57,300 been properly accounted for through the 1290 00:53:02,930 --> 00:52:59,880 normal oversight procedures to the 1291 00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:02,940 Congress it has to be reported within a 1292 00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,500 very short period of time I think the 1293 00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:07,380 time is 72 hours to those oversight 1294 00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:08,460 committees 1295 00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,579 and I just wonder whether that mandate 1296 00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:14,040 has been triggered yet because boy I'm 1297 00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,500 hearing some amazing stuff from sources 1298 00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,000 including 1299 00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,920 sources who've told me that they've 1300 00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:22,559 approached the congress with information 1301 00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:25,740 about the program 1302 00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,380 and I'm just hoping people are being 1303 00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,200 named and shamed because even if there 1304 00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,300 is let's just hypothetically assume Andy 1305 00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:35,579 that the say a presidential executive 1306 00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,859 order that mandated all of this be kept 1307 00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:40,079 secret right back in sale I don't know 1308 00:53:46,670 --> 00:53:44,339 19 18 1940s 47 perhaps 1309 00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:46,680 um let's just say that that's the case 1310 00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,420 is it legal 1311 00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:50,280 has anybody ever really tested the 1312 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,640 legality of such a a declaration why 1313 00:53:58,130 --> 00:53:55,680 haven't presidents been briefed 1314 00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:58,140 and moreover why was President Obama 1315 00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,079 briefed post his presidency and why has 1316 00:54:06,170 --> 00:54:04,200 his attitude hardened to suggesting that 1317 00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,180 there just might be something to this 1318 00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:08,160 UAP issue 1319 00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,380 so the the evidence is there an answer 1320 00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:13,140 to your um your questioner 1321 00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,300 um I do think that there are an 1322 00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,760 abundance of names that can be pursued 1323 00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:20,160 and investigated all the Congress needs 1324 00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,260 to do is call them 1325 00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,380 and they can be called involuntarily 1326 00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,359 the big issue my friend and this is 1327 00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:28,800 where the pushback's happening is 1328 00:54:33,049 --> 00:54:30,839 whether you and I the general public 1329 00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:33,059 will get told about it 1330 00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:35,220 because don't forget that the only thing 1331 00:54:41,049 --> 00:54:38,339 the legislation does is mandate that 1332 00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:41,059 proper oversight and accountability be 1333 00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,040 reinstated on every program involved 1334 00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:47,040 with uaps because there's a clear belief 1335 00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,040 in the legislation it's quite clear the 1336 00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:52,200 purpose of the legislation is to bring 1337 00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,099 these UAP programs back within the 1338 00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,960 control and oversight of the proper 1339 00:55:02,210 --> 00:54:59,760 procedures of Congress 1340 00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:02,220 there's no requirement that the public 1341 00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,020 be told 1342 00:55:07,790 --> 00:55:06,420 and if I was the U.S frankly mate I can 1343 00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:07,800 see there's a bloody good argument if 1344 00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,200 I've recovered alien technology and I'm 1345 00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:11,760 in a battle with the Russians and the 1346 00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:13,619 Chinese to develop it let's say 1347 00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:15,960 anti-gravity or propulsion systems or 1348 00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:17,400 Weapons Systems 1349 00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:19,980 stealth technology I sure as hell 1350 00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:21,480 wouldn't be telling the public about it 1351 00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,339 and that's the issue 1352 00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:25,200 is the Congress going to be told about 1353 00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:27,300 this and is there a possibility that if 1354 00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:29,220 the Congress could get told about it in 1355 00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:36,049 final question then from Newman because 1356 00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,859 we're running out of time Newman asked 1357 00:55:42,829 --> 00:55:39,839 is there any news on evidence of our 1358 00:55:44,569 --> 00:55:42,839 sensor systems in space having picked up 1359 00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:44,579 on new APS 1360 00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,260 well Christopher Millen wrote a 1361 00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,480 fantastic piece about this about a year 1362 00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:50,700 and a half ago which I really commend to 1363 00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,859 people where he's summarized the 1364 00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:54,660 capabilities of all of the different 1365 00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,220 satellites and all of the different 1366 00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:58,440 agencies that the um 1367 00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:02,040 that the US has I started up my research 1368 00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:04,200 I I knew a guy before he passed called 1369 00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,500 Jeff Richardson who did a fantastic book 1370 00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,839 that I've got on my shelf that talked 1371 00:56:13,549 --> 00:56:12,000 about the DSP satellites the defense 1372 00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,559 Support Program satellites that 1373 00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:16,079 essentially looked for flares of rockets 1374 00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:21,300 in on the planet below and um boy was my 1375 00:56:27,049 --> 00:56:24,359 world shook when I received a very very 1376 00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,059 confidential briefing from sources who 1377 00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:29,640 told me about the technologies that the 1378 00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:31,380 geospatial agency the national 1379 00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:34,859 reconnaissance agency the NSA and the 1380 00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,319 dod more broadly in the United States 1381 00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,599 have got that that essentially send 1382 00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:42,720 Telemetry data done through Australia's 1383 00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:45,480 Pine Gap base back to the United States 1384 00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,680 on a secure terminal it's mind-blowing 1385 00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,660 the capabilities that they've got 1386 00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:53,339 they're not just looking at Earth 1387 00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:55,020 they're looking out 1388 00:57:01,370 --> 00:56:58,500 towards space and don't forget also my 1389 00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:01,380 friend the James Webb Telescope I mean 1390 00:57:06,049 --> 00:57:04,020 wow you know you've got a purpose-built 1391 00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:06,059 platform now on the other side of the 1392 00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:08,220 moon that is able to look at the 1393 00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:10,140 universe in ways we've never been able 1394 00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,300 to look at before it's actually really 1395 00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,359 exciting and time and time again people 1396 00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:18,240 like Christopher melon that gentleman 1397 00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:20,220 whose name momentarily escapes me who's 1398 00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,020 the former deputy head of the Coast 1399 00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,720 Guard who um Jay from Project unity's 1400 00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:26,640 had on a few times goal a day I think 1401 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:28,800 his name is he's talked about the 1402 00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:31,920 importance of data held I think by the 1403 00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:36,059 geospatial agency and the nro 1404 00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,079 it's quite clear that there is a vast 1405 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,180 amount of data I think the biggest 1406 00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:44,400 repository of a lot of this data though 1407 00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,460 is the Department of energy 1408 00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:50,400 it goes right back to 1947 when the 1409 00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,920 department of energy was involved in the 1410 00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:55,440 um Los Alamos testing and when a lot of 1411 00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:57,540 strange objects were coming down in the 1412 00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:00,960 Nevada desert and more by accident and 1413 00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:03,240 historical happenstance by then by 1414 00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:04,700 Design 1415 00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:07,740 Los Alamos the department of energy 1416 00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:12,420 became I think a major point for where a 1417 00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:14,040 lot of this data went 1418 00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,220 and it's not a coincidence my friend the 1419 00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:19,440 department of energy is excluded from 1420 00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:21,540 Freedom of Information laws 1421 00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:26,569 and just on that a little follow-up do 1422 00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,440 you see the NASA study that's due to 1423 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:30,480 conclude around may I believe I was 1424 00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:31,980 speaking to one of the folks involved in 1425 00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:33,180 that and they think it's going to be 1426 00:58:36,589 --> 00:58:34,680 finished around May 1427 00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:36,599 um do you see that throwing up anything 1428 00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:38,700 that's going to be worthy of follow-up 1429 00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:41,640 no I don't to be honest I I think it's 1430 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,859 just going through the motions 1431 00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:46,260 I mean it's actually admitted that it's 1432 00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:47,579 not going to be looking at classified 1433 00:58:54,770 --> 00:58:50,520 material which is absurd 1434 00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:54,780 um and it's not responding to 1435 00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,000 well inquiries that I've made and other 1436 00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:59,040 people have made about numerous 1437 00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,319 anomalous incidents that have been 1438 00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,540 videoed and filmed on different missions 1439 00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,000 that require explanation there's just a 1440 00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:07,920 willful blindness to actually accounting 1441 00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:10,380 for a lot of the evidence that NASA 1442 00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:13,079 itself has collected over the years and 1443 00:59:17,329 --> 00:59:15,720 I'm sorry I I hope I'm proved wrong but 1444 00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:17,339 I just can't help but think that the 1445 00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:19,079 NASA inquiry is just going through the 1446 00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,619 motions it's a bit of a whitewash 1447 00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:24,359 I think that's one that time's going to 1448 00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:25,740 tell and it should be pretty soon as 1449 00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,299 well well listen Russia have been very 1450 00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,700 good with your time our hour is up um 1451 00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,440 how can people find you and also your 1452 00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,119 work as well and of course the need to 1453 00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,040 know podcast along with Bryce sure 1454 00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:36,960 you'll find me on the need to know uh 1455 00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,480 podcast on all major podcast channels 1456 00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,000 and also on YouTube uh I think it's just 1457 00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:43,920 called need to know or you can go to our 1458 00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:50,270 www.needtoknow.today and as of last week 1459 00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,160 I finished the final chapters for a new 1460 00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,920 update of my book in plain sight which 1461 01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:58,079 is going to press in the United States 1462 01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,380 in July or August hopefully it'll be on 1463 01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:04,020 the bookshelves by then and um hopefully 1464 01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:05,520 it'll upset a few people and of course 1465 01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,119 some mischief and uh I'm continuing to 1466 01:00:13,849 --> 01:00:11,760 work on other projects with Bryce and 1467 01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:13,859 we've got some interesting new 1468 01:00:18,650 --> 01:00:16,680 documentaries coming your way 1469 01:00:20,030 --> 01:00:18,660 lovely well hopefully when you've got 1470 01:00:21,530 --> 01:00:20,040 that updated book out we can get you 1471 01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,540 back on Ross and have a chat about it 1472 01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:23,520 good on you buddy nice to talk to you 1473 01:00:28,010 --> 01:00:26,220 that is all for this week's show thank 1474 01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:28,020 you very much for listening please 1475 01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:29,819 remember to leave the podcast the review 1476 01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,520 on your chosen platform you can like 1477 01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:35,040 retweet And subscribe that would all be 1478 01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:37,020 very much appreciated the shows are 1479 01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:39,059 being uploaded onto YouTube as 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01:02:55,520 I am not quite as disaster 1497 01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:28,270 [Music] 1498 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,140 we can hear